IrishElf

Citizen
Forum Moderator
Hi Everyone,
Just a quick update so that you know what we're fixing, and are aware of. All of the following should be fixed in the next build we put out- either late this week, or early next week:
  • Digits missing from Stats and other quantities in Tool-Tips and other screens
  • Raid Rewards for RELICS are too low some of the time- we fixed Raid Reward quality for the Gear/Armament Rewards, but didn't adjust relic quality.
  • Issue that caused party lists to not appear instantly upon forming a party.
  • New Sugarsweet Shop Wardrobe Packs not tradeable (they should be)
  • Rune List blank- Enchantments can't be seen
  • Sugarsweet Flair not available from Npc vendors.
  • Expose Weakness charges too quickly when using a damage-over-time attack
  • Chocolate Leaper missing from the Shop
  • Some players report Candy Box quest item cannot be found
These are just the main ones we're looking at. There are others reported that we haven't confirmed yet, but will look into.
Thanks, Damon
This is the Original Topic people, please keep comments to this. If you feel you must discuss something else, please make your own post... and again, keep it courteous!
 
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Giruv

Merchant
Royal Guardian
Characters
Verrier
Platform
PC
Issue that caused party lists to not appear instantly upon forming a party.
Instead of just not appearing the party list info such as party member and their HP won't get updated until you switch target.
New Sugarsweet Shop Wardrobe Packs not tradeable (they should be)
Also wonder about the sugarsweet Wardrobe pack in crown shop says "For all character on the server" is that true or just outdated info?
 

Sinjin

Jack Of All Trades
Platform
iOS
I personally do not like the way parties are now listed on the side as a scroll feature.
Scrolling party list is an abomination. Yeah, I said it.

I understand the problem with limited real estate on mobil, but instead of something smart (having the client dynamically reorder the party list so that players with lower % health were reordered to the top of the list on-the-fly and with minimum compute/network lag ... so that you don’t need to scroll) they just added a way to manually scroll an unordered list (so long as you don’t touch a player name for more than half a second, and if the player list isn’t too long, and lord help you if the main tank or agro-stealing dmg dealer aren’t located in the same ‘page’).

Coupled with overhead health bars that don’t update/aren’t accurate, I’ve never seen anything more directly antagonizing to a healer... and that includes the really angsty bits about ‘tab targeting including pets’ and ‘default skill opening whisper chat’.
 

Lalocat

Adventurer
Characters
Lalocat Vla Laniss
Platform
Android, PC
Based on what I was hearing from other players in the event zone, I strongly suspect that after one player finds the candy box, it takes about 15 minutes to reset itself, just like the Dragon Skull daily quest in Bloodstone (which is a big enough pain in the neck!)
This happens to me all the time. It's still visible though, you just can't pick it up.

Pretty much every quest gets messed up somehow if there is another player around doing it. The worst is hair samples in Ash White. Almost failed that one a couple times before I got wise and started leaving to do something else if I saw another person around or noticed they aren't dropping like they should.
 

sirbabbo

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Scrolling party list is an abomination. Yeah, I said it.

I understand the problem with limited real estate on mobil, but instead of something smart (having the client dynamically reorder the party list so that players with lower % health were reordered to the top of the list on-the-fly and with minimum compute/network lag ... so that you don’t need to scroll) they just added a way to manually scroll an unordered list (so long as you don’t touch a player name for more than half a second, and if the player list isn’t too long, and lord help you if the main tank or agro-stealing dmg dealer aren’t located in the same ‘page’).

Coupled with overhead health bars that don’t update/aren’t accurate, I’ve never seen anything more directly antagonizing to a healer... and that includes the really angsty bits about ‘tab targeting including pets’ and ‘default skill opening whisper chat’.
Could we not just have it where we can do our own party’s of 6 or 5 in the raid to make this scrolling go away. Idk how healers can do it tbh. I think going back to how we make our groups would stop the scrolling issue.
 

Schlarbie

Reader
Characters
Shlarby
Platform
Android, PC
Please undo the scrolling group on mobile, it is terrible and the old version was much better.
I love the new raid drops except they drop my initial subclass, which I haven't played in almost three years...please adjust these so they drop my actual subclass! Thank you.
 

Ivar Hill

Mad Otter Games
Developer
Please undo the scrolling group on mobile, it is terrible and the old version was much better.
I love the new raid drops except they drop my initial subclass, which I haven't played in almost three years...please adjust these so they drop my actual subclass! Thank you.
The intended behavior of the new party list is that it should always show at least as many players as the old one did, and scroll if there's even more. So in theory it'd be either exactly as useful as the old one or even more so.

We've fixed issues with this now, but if you're still having problems please send a bug report! The intent of the scrolling list is to only offer more functionality, not make it less useful than what was before.
 
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Sinjin

Jack Of All Trades
Platform
iOS
In the scrum of a fight, healers have to fight the interface to get the info they need to effectively heal. Intended or not, it ain’t right.
 
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Angelina

Squirrel
Platform
Android
Couldn't disagree more. If you're looking for the toughest challenge, run Heroic with the 10x increased health and damage.

For me, challenge comes in the form of group coordination and mechanics. The scaling is in a pretty good place right now. Perhaps they can bump up the health of bosses and mini-bosses but minions should be kept at their current level. With this update I'm seeing players who had given up on Raids return to the fold, I'm watching those who felt the Raids weren't worth it return to grind for loot and best of all I'm seeing lower and mid level players creating public Raids and actually feeling motivated and encouraged to continue rather than quit outright.

This is what Raiding in V&H should look like. Not an exclusive playground for the optimized level 95 player. With the scaling reduction and timer increase there is some excess time in Raids, especially group raids. The solution is not to increase the scaling and thus double or triple the length of each fight, but rather to add some more objectives sprinkled throughout each Raid to fill the time and promote group strategy and tactics.

For example, add some key collection, destructible objects, another mini-boss, traps, dynamic routes that can open and close, puzzles and objectives that require teams to split up and complete tasks in unison. Implement the survival objective in some of the other Raids such as Flooded Cloister, have us escort NPCs, locate items etc. The Raids are at their best when players need to plan around these types of encounters. So let's advocate for this type of mechanical difficulty over more health, damage and longer monotonous fights where each minion feels like an Elder boss.
I absolutely agree that the players who wear purple names are absolutely crazy.They spent a lot of money, time and nerves.I kneel before them.We have one such person on EU1.
 

Mystic River

Priestess
Platform
iOS
I understand the pc players party list was different than mobile, not full list in raids of over 6 players. But it was fine on mobile. I am a healer playing on an iPad. Before the update my list for a party of 6 was centered on the left. All names were there. Now the list has moved way up and shows 4 players. If I scroll I can see all ( more or less) but the list moves even higher. If I try to click on the top name I often get my avatar, which opens that window, but really interferes with healing.
Before the update my party list for a raid of 15 was just fine, showed all players in raid. I honestly do not see why mobile was changed. All this has done is cause more frustration for healers.
I’ve never played on pc, but isn’t there enough room for a longer list on pc? If not then maybe a toggle option as was mentioned so mobile can have our lists like they were.
 

Ivar Hill

Mad Otter Games
Developer
I understand the pc players party list was different than mobile, not full list in raids of over 6 players. But it was fine on mobile. I am a healer playing on an iPad. Before the update my list for a party of 6 was centered on the left. All names were there. Now the list has moved way up and shows 4 players. If I scroll I can see all ( more or less) but the list moves even higher. If I try to click on the top name I often get my avatar, which opens that window, but really interferes with healing.
Before the update my party list for a raid of 15 was just fine, showed all players in raid. I honestly do not see why mobile was changed. All this has done is cause more frustration for healers.
I’ve never played on pc, but isn’t there enough room for a longer list on pc? If not then maybe a toggle option as was mentioned so mobile can have our lists like they were.
The old system - on both mobile and PC - worked like this:
If you're a full party, all 5 names (you don't see yourself) show on the left. If you're more than what fits in a full party, you can't see anyone else.

The new system is intended to work like this:
If you're a full party, all 5 names show on the left. If you're more than what fits in a full party, you see even more names, and if it can't all fit, you can scroll.

In other words, you're never supposed to see less names with this change than you did before - if you do, that's a bug. Please report this if this is the case.
 

Sinjin

Jack Of All Trades
Platform
iOS
The old system - on both mobile and PC - worked like this:
If you're a full party, all 5 names (you don't see yourself) show on the left. If you're more than what fits in a full party, you can't see anyone else.

The new system is intended to work like this:
If you're a full party, all 5 names show on the left. If you're more than what fits in a full party, you see even more names, and if it can't all fit, you can scroll.

In other words, you're never supposed to see less names with this change than you did before - if you do, that's a bug. Please report this if this is the case.
Respectfully, no...

On mobil (iPad device), a group of 6 was me and 5 others... each player (except self) was both visible and easily clickable in the group list. In a full raid of 15, I saw a list of 14 players in the group list on the left side (with the bottom most player being tricky to select because they were masked by the left-hand quickbar feats) ... but each player and their health bars were visible.

I understand PC players had a different group list, but ours was fine (so long as you didn’t have the main tank joining as the last person). Now we have to constantly scroll pages back and forth. We are literally fighting the scroll bar.
 

Ivar Hill

Mad Otter Games
Developer
Respectfully, no...

On mobil (iPad device), a group of 6 was me and 5 others... each player (except self) was both visible and easily clickable in the group list. In a full raid of 15, I saw a list of 14 players in the group list on the left side (with the bottom most player being tricky to select because they were masked by the left-hand quickbar feats) ... but each player and their health bars were visible.

I understand PC players had a different group list, but ours was fine (so long as you didn’t have the main tank joining as the last person). Now we have to constantly scroll pages back and forth. We are literally fighting the scroll bar.
Could you share a picture of what you are experiencing? Want to make sure this gets addressed in the best way possible.
 
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The old system - on both mobile and PC - worked like this:
If you're a full party, all 5 names (you don't see yourself) show on the left. If you're more than what fits in a full party, you can't see anyone else.

The new system is intended to work like this:
If you're a full party, all 5 names show on the left. If you're more than what fits in a full party, you see even more names, and if it can't all fit, you can scroll.

In other words, you're never supposed to see less names with this change than you did before - if you do, that's a bug. Please report this if this is the case.
For pc, this was not the case. I've always seen myself in the party. It still shows. And I appreciate that it does show - please do not change this. It's the easiest way for me to target myself if I need to.
 

Ivar Hill

Mad Otter Games
Developer
The issue is that there's literally no space to fit 15 players in a list at all times, on both mobile and PC, on many ratios/resolutions.So what we want to do is to always show as many players as possible, and only scroll if there's no space left to fit everything.

Again if this is not the case, we should fix it! Images and examples would be helpful here.
 

Sinjin

Jack Of All Trades
Platform
iOS
The issue is that there's literally no space to fit 15 players in a list at all times
I can’t take an image of the previous release, but this is exactly what we did have (well 14, it didn’t include self). Breaking it on one platform so that it would be equally broken on all platforms isn’t a GoodThing(tm).

It doesn’t matter that it’s not the same for every release on every platform. If such things mattered then mobil could name their farm animals, receive friend login/elder kill notices, have the ability to /clearcache, see village house nameplates, read the village vault log, and have a knowledge book.
 

Jytal

Servant of Mallok
Platform
iOS
What Sinjin was saying is absolutely true, this new party ui is terrible for healers. Below is a picture I had from the last year and taken from an iPad. I could not select the last player on the list consistently quickly enough, that's also why that person is dead, I simply couldn't select her in time BUT, I could see everyone's health and were selectable. I don't have a picture of the current ui which could only shown 4 people's health but an approximate area of where they show is in yellow, additionally, the ui is so far up my screen, chat can distract or cover the party and it makes it very easy to misclick the menu button.
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Recap:
Previously on my iPad I can see everyone's health and can select them, they were tight but I can select one above and tab to next one very quickly.
Currently on my iPad I can see 4 people's health and have to continually scroll to see others. If a tank is on the top of the list and another on the bottom of the list guess what, gg I hope they brought rezzies. You can not continually focus healing when you have to spend more time scrolling.

Suggestion:
Let us rearrange party as we want to (who goes where on top, middle etc), let us choose how many can be seen immediately and for the rest of the members would be by scrolling, and do not place the party ui so far up the screen, ideally give us the ability to move and shape it as we want (pc chat has the ability to be shaped by the player, other functions should be allowed to as well).
 
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Mystic River

Priestess
Platform
iOS
I did send in a bug report on this. This is a 6 party list from before the update

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This is after the updateA7220734-C5B1-4735-93D0-9B0E01ECBEBA.jpeg
The 5th persons name was barely visible but their hp bar was not.
If I scroll so I can see all 5 hp bars the top name is barely visible, and closer to my avatar.6D8DD8F3-5D57-4A85-9274-814495855AD1.jpeg
 
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apoxsota

Citizen
Everyone has a right to express their opinions and displeasure on these forums. However, in doing so everyone needs to follow the rules, TOS and be respectful of others. Also please stick to the topic.
Thank you for your cooperation.
I couldn't agree more. I was literally just looking over this thread while enjoying a bowl of popcorn when I realized about the TOS. You know I have never read it? Turns out being respectful is important and I agree with the whole cooperation part as well. Anywho!

I hope the PRO V&H players get compensation. You know making raids so easy now and other people coming for your pink plates, Dang I feel that! Its real out here. Anyways back to trying to get level 13 rook.
 
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