Ekimie

Hunter
Royal Guardian
Platform
Steam
The worst action the mods could have taken is to remove the gold, but banning players is excessive, there are level 1 players with more than 5k and they did nothing just to keep them playing, they did not give a warning like other times and they did a sanction in front of them, what logic do they have? In the case of the auction would have been better to disable it at the beginning if they knew this was happening not wait for the great part was selling and earning gold that way to just act and spoil the game, they were just waiting for several to buy and sell to generate some absurd sanctions if the mods leave much to be desired with this action.
The worst action the exploiters could have taken after finding this bug is to go ahead and exploit it. Forcing the Devs to take these actions they don't like either is excessive, they are bringing sanctions to a server that generally did not deserve it. They did not give a heads-up about the bug existing, and didn't tell the Devs how to fix it, what logic do they have? In the case of the exploit it would have been better to just quietly report it in the beginning when they knew what they were doing was not okay instead of using it to bring disbalance to their server and chaos to MO HQ. There leave much to be desired with this action.

There, I fixed it for you.
 

Black_Cvlt

Arch Wizard
Characters
Danger Zone, Black Cvlt, Coup de Grace, Crafty Hands, High Voltage
Platform
Android, PC
they were just waiting for several to buy and sell to generate some absurd sanctions
Just fyi:
1) Devs can't fix bugs in a minute to prevent trade with exploited gold
2) Devs can't track suspicious auction prices every second. We're not on the stock exchange.
In the case of the auction would have been better to disable it at the beginning
Exploiters can send gold to high level toons. Do we need to close auction for all?
One more time:
Once the exploit has been fixed, and the economy on US1 is once again stable, then those of you who truly feel that hard earned gold was unjustly taken from you, then you may submit a CS ticket, and we will review every single gold transaction that you've done in the past two months and go from there.
 

IrishElf

Citizen
Forum Moderator
The worst action the mods could have taken is to remove the gold, but banning players is excessive, there are level 1 players with more than 5k and they did nothing just to keep them playing, they did not give a warning like other times and they did a sanction in front of them, what logic do they have? In the case of the auction would have been better to disable it at the beginning if they knew this was happening not wait for the great part was selling and earning gold that way to just act and spoil the game, they were just waiting for several to buy and sell to generate some absurd sanctions if the mods leave much to be desired with this action.
Mods report to management, management has taken action.

You speak of new players being harmed.
I ask you this: How did new players find out about this exploit and scam? Who told them how to do it?
I am really disappointed in those who feel it is OK to exploit a bug for their own gain.
 

amandiell

Bog Frog
Characters
Amandiell, Wookester, Ilta
Platform
PC, Steam
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Some of y'all talking about it "not being fair". I ask you, is it fair to earn -as Sarah said- 800k gold in one day whereas there are people out there who gather and sell stuff at an honest price at AH/to friends and when they want to buy something in return, because of those people who have found a way to earn those big amounts of money, can't do it?

Imo the devs are being too nice to those who earned those amounts by only taking the gold/temporarily banning them. They all deserve permanent ban for ruining a whole server and making more work for the otters
 

Tenzor

Legendary Hero
Characters
Dezgrim, Tenzor
Platform
Steam
Good News Everyone! That was one of the reason why I stopped playing at US1. Prices lifted to the skys. And 2 month ago I thought that I am rich, but during last 2 month I saw prices around 10k-50k per bag slot. And mounts around 15k - 50k and Vaults around 10-50k. And lately market "stabilized" around 5k-10k per bag space and that anyway were insane... All my capitall become almost as nothing...compared to the prices... I hope everyone will got what he deserve.
 
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Halleebell

Squirrel
Characters
Hallee/Freyra
Platform
iOS, PC
Good News Everyone! That was one of the reason why I stopped playing at US1. Prices lifted to the skys. And 2 month ago I thought that I am rich, but during last 2 month I saw prices around 10k-50k per bag slot. And mounts around 15k - 50k and Vaults around 10-50k. And lately market "stabilized" around 5k-10k per bag space and that anyway were insane... All my capitall become almost as nothing...compared to the prices... I hope everyone will got what he deserve.
Very unrealistic prices
 
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Zaphyra

Master Villager
Characters
Retired
Platform
Android, PC
This exploit has nearly destroyed the game economy on US1. Prices have skyrocketed, making it almost impossible for honest players to buy the items they want/need. I wonder how many players have left US1 or even quit the game in frustration?! 😑🀬

Those who engaged in this exploit are not only greedy, dishonest cheaters... they're not very smart. πŸ˜¬πŸ‘‡

How long did they think they could hide this exploit from the Devs? 🀨

What good does it do to amass a huge amount of exploited gold, if you destroy the game and/or get banned and have nowhere to spend your ill-gotten gains? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

Shame on those who exploited our game and harmed our community. The exploiters deserve whatever punishment our Devs decide to dish out. 😑
 

Tenzor

Legendary Hero
Characters
Dezgrim, Tenzor
Platform
Steam
Very unrealistic prices
US1 was with prices similar to US3. Then prices for Red Chests and Zogs lifted to the 100g per chest and 250 per Purple Zog. And that was very suspicious, because base price was around 5g per chest. and 35-50 per Zog. At start I thought that some old players tossed their stored gold to the economy, but when I saw 50k prices I realized that something very wrong..
 
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Tenzor

Legendary Hero
Characters
Dezgrim, Tenzor
Platform
Steam
This exploit has nearly destroyed the game economy on US1. Prices have skyrocketed, making it almost impossible for honest players to buy the items they want/need. I wonder how many players have left US1 or even quit the game in frustration?! 😑🀬

Those who engaged in this exploit are not only greedy, dishonest cheaters... they're not very smart. πŸ˜¬πŸ‘‡

How long did they think they could hide this exploit from the Devs? 🀨

What good does it do to amass a huge amount of exploited gold, if you destroy the game and/or get banned and have nowhere to spend your ill-gotten gains? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

Shame on those who exploited our game and harmed our community. The exploiters deserve whatever punishment our Devs decide to dish out. 😑
Want hear my feelings? I got around 40k by selling mats for 3-5g + Things like spiders/Lucky/Goba/Scrops etc + mats from Ranch and Garden. That's thousands of mats-stacks which I sold.... And what I can buy for it now? ONE BAG SLOT!!! WOW!!! And even ALL false gold will be removed, when prices should goes down ? 2-3 years or never? I LOST my capital out of the blue
 
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Rattus

Jack Of All Trades
Characters
Zurkus, DrPrepper, Gambianus
Platform
PC
For the time being, I would not post any auctions without a set buyout price.

Just because people feeling they're going down might want to take someone random with them.
 
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Zaphyra

Master Villager
Characters
Retired
Platform
Android, PC
Want hear my feelings? I got around 40k by selling mats for 3-5g + Things like spiders/Lucky/Goba/Scrops etc + mats from Ranch and Garden. That's thousands of mats-stacks which I sold.... And what I can buy for it now? ONE BAG SLOT!!! WOW!!! And even ALL false gold will be removed, when prices should goes down ? 2-3 years or never? I LOST my capital out of the blue
I'm so sorry this has happened and I feel your frustration. πŸ₯ΊπŸ’”

I hope the economy will stabilize soon and that you (and everyone on US1) will hang in there and not give up on our game and community. πŸ™β€
 
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Tenzor

Legendary Hero
Characters
Dezgrim, Tenzor
Platform
Steam
I'm so sorry this has happened and I feel your frustration. πŸ₯ΊπŸ’”

I hope the economy will stabilize soon and that you (and everyone on US1) will hang in there and not give up on our game and community. πŸ™β€
Thanks ❀
 
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Tenzor

Legendary Hero
Characters
Dezgrim, Tenzor
Platform
Steam
I think that are exploiters deserve a much possible punishment. They do damage not only for players but for the whole game. Hours spent on catching them can be spent on the game improving. In good times I never saw on the AH of US-1 items(non Crown) that costs more then 2k (Legendary weapons with best proc). And I logging and check AH each day. So I think, that everything above 2k (not for crown items) is 100% false gold gain.
 

Tenzor

Legendary Hero
Characters
Dezgrim, Tenzor
Platform
Steam
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Maybe it can be done automatically. To make Algorithm, which count how many gold player gained in last 2 month. And check average amount, how many gold he gained in previous months. IF gold gain is to much then next step (90% cutting).

For example if you selling Red chest per 100 gold (5g usually price), And sells 100 per day (from your old storage). You will gain 10k per day. So you sold around 500 Chests and gained 50k. In nomal way you will gain 2500 (500x5) for that amount. Even if you sell for 10 gold it is = 5k. So 90% is False gold. Then Algorithm must cut 90% from that gold for not punish the player to much and left fair gold gain.

Also need check who start panic and buying everything around in huge amounts then average
 

Damon Otter

Mad Otter Games
Developer
Hi Everyone,
Please be patient. We are still actively investigating this exploit, and I believe we will end up with a complete picture of all players that were involved in the exploit. The game servers track and log every moment when gold changes hands, as well as the purchase of every item, and every trade within the game. We have made a lot of progress--that is we have a nearly complete picture now on who, what, and when-- and we should have this wrapped up soon.

As many have said already, we do all of this to protect the integrity of the community and the economy. When items on the Auction House are selling for 100x more than on the other servers, players who were not involved in the exploit can no longer participate in the Auction House and the economy because they simply don't have enough gold - and that's clearly unfair and quite sad.

Please be patient- we should have this wrapped up soon.
Best, Damon
 

Zaphyra

Master Villager
Characters
Retired
Platform
Android, PC
Hi Everyone,
Please be patient. We are still actively investigating this exploit, and I believe we will end up with a complete picture of all players that were involved in the exploit. The game servers track and log every moment when gold changes hands, as well as the purchase of every item, and every trade within the game. We have made a lot of progress--that is we have a nearly complete picture now on who, what, and when-- and we should have this wrapped up soon.

As many have said already, we do all of this to protect the integrity of the community and the economy. When items on the Auction House are selling for 100x more than on the other servers, players who were not involved in the exploit can no longer participate in the Auction House and the economy because they simply don't have enough gold - and that's clearly unfair and quite sad.

Please be patient- we should have this wrapped up soon.
Best, Damon
Thank you so much. πŸ™β€
 
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cualquiernombre

Citizen
Platform
PC
to avoid future problems, could you please indicate a list of prices that will be accepted in the auction? so that the same thing does not happen again.
 

Zaphyra

Master Villager
Characters
Retired
Platform
Android, PC
to avoid future problems, could you please indicate a list of prices that will be accepted in the auction? so that the same thing does not happen again.
There's no need for the Devs to set price limits on Auctions. When there's no "free" gold flooding the server, the market will determine auction prices... because if players over-price their items and they don't sell, then they'll lose their listing fees.
 

Zaphyra

Master Villager
Characters
Retired
Platform
Android, PC
Last edited
On another note... over the past couple months, US3's Auction House has been flooded with overpriced items and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the Gold Exploit? Or if the Devs are experimenting with our economy, to see what the Market will bear for the QoL update? πŸ€”

Because I can't believe that auctions priced at 5-6x their normal value are selling very well, which means those sellers are probably losing gold... which would normally cause them to lower their prices, until their items begin selling. But we're still seeing a steady supply of overpriced items. Which makes me believe that we might have some smart exploiters (who know that selling a 3g item for 1000g will draw the Devs attention, but selling a 3g item for 20g might slip by unnoticed)... or that the Devs are experimenting with our economy (because they have an endless supply of gold). πŸ€”

So, if it's not our Devs experimenting with the economy on US3, then I hope @Damon Otter and @Sarah Otter will take a closer look and make sure there aren't any exploiters on US3. Because I don't know any honest players, who can afford to constantly lose gold on unsold auctions. πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ
 
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