Patch Notes Advance Patch Notes - The Mana Build!

[CaraLox]

im still upset cuz i have a few vault pages of lvl 3 mana pots that i basically can just trash now if my understanding of the change to them is correct

Or you can binge raids or something to use them up… i gave away all mine

 

[Priest Daimheach]

Or sell the blueberry pots to the charter token guy for mana potions.

 

[IrishElf]

im still upset cuz i have a few vault pages of lvl 3 mana pots that i basically can just trash now if my understanding of the change to them is correct

They will still be usable!

 

[Stenlar1970]

im still upset cuz i have a few vault pages of lvl 3 mana pots that i basically can just trash now if my understanding of the change to them is correct

Drakz,

Think of it this way, more space for the hoarding.

 

[Drakz]

thats why I said if you use lvl 95 scornyx’s they give so much clarity it’s like having a full spec of it. the mana rolls give a little too (fun fact about buffs the less of the stat you have to start with the more impactful useing buffs is and scornyx’s are one of the most op buffs out there great for high burn toons that have little or no investment in mana stats)

I know people are saying conservative players will use the low lvl pots, but why? They do the same as the 90 ones but a lot slower. Basically a low burn toon might get away with using them but if they just wait longer before using they could use a high lvl one instead, in fact they would need the high lvl one much less frequently so would consume a lot less of them so get more mana from a stack, interrupt output less to restore etc. Hence exactly like pies the only difference‘s would be that there cheaper but do less.

well before these changes i never needed scornyx so never bought any and not gonna start buying them now and about the lvl 90 pots they are not gonna be cheap the higher lvl the pot the more they gonna cost thats a given but i will givr it a try if the lvl 3 pots i have don't work out then its goodbye priest

 

[Big Lee]

Will it overreact if the shadow orbs becomes 40%, our build is basically useless, it's 100% too powerful, but 40% too weak.

 

[Cosmickitty]

well before these changes i never needed scornyx so never bought any and not gonna start buying them now and about the lvl 90 pots they are not gonna be cheap the higher lvl the pot the more they gonna cost thats a given but i will givr it a try if the lvl 3 pots i have don't work out then its goodbye priest

Nothing is changing about the priests righteousness, you should still need the same amount of pots you always have for priest, which is not many. You will probably be fine using just the 10% over 30 sec ones as long as you always keep one active... unless you never used mana pots, then you're prolly fine continuing to do that.

 

[Drakz]

Nothing is changing about the priests righteousness, you should still need the same amount of pots you always have for priest, which is not many. You will probably be fine using just the 10% over 30 sec ones as long as you always keep one active... unless you never used mana pots, then you're prolly fine continuing to do that.

yes there are changes the amount of mana it restores is nerfed and the increase in mana cost for abilities means you use more mana while restoring less not to even mention the changes to cure

 

[Antavious]

well before these changes i never needed scornyx so never bought any and not gonna start buying them now and about the lvl 90 pots they are not gonna be cheap the higher lvl the pot the more they gonna cost thats a given but i will givr it a try if the lvl 3 pots i have don't work out then its goodbye priest

Lol no one needed a scornyx but they do seriously reduce how many pots you use, yep the 90 pots will cost about 8g more a stack to produce than our lvl 3 ones guess you got to hit up 1 more plenty to afford them but on top of all that the changes in the patch notes still reduce burn by an extremely large amount for most classes so basically it will be extremely unlikely that you will need more than you currently do in fact it’s far more likely you will need a lot less. My most likely course of action when the patch goes live is to remove redundant parts of my build that will be giving me too much mana.

 

[Drakz]

Lol no one needed a scornyx but they do seriously reduce how many pots you use, yep the 90 pots will cost about 8g more a stack to produce than our lvl 3 ones guess you got to hit up 1 more plenty to afford them but on top of all that the changes in the patch notes still reduce burn by an extremely large amount for most classes so basically it will be extremely unlikely that you will need more than you currently do in fact it’s far more likely you will need a lot less. My most likely course of action when the patch goes live is to remove redundant parts of my build that will be giving me too much mana.

yea some classes got mana help but the holy class got the shaft we will be spending more mana and receiving less and since all i have is lvl 3 mana i just dont see how a holy is suppose to viable now. And i dont gather or craft so hitting up a plenty is not an option dont get me wrong gold is no issue in the game i will never need gold again as long as i play and continue to gain more regularly but its about the principles and the fact the people who dont have the gold like that will be affected more.

 

[Antavious]

It dose look like holy where overly spoiled before with basically unlimited mana, I would definitely assume they don’t really get it but still I saw one thing in the patch notes that says a move restores 60% of your current mana? What’s that all about? As for the personal position “you don’t gather or craft?” wow one of a kind here no wonder it’s strange for you. Looks like you’ll only be happy if 1. priests have unlimited mana 2. It costs nothing 3. You don’t have to play half the game at all (crafting and gathering) why bother at all? Seriously I don’t get it.

 

[Renaiss]

i have played countless mmo rpgs since they first began i have seen sooo many changes in games i know a nerf when i see one and i see issues with talent/ability changes as they are you dont have to try new stuff to see or know when problems are there.

It is about the nerfing of holy priests.

I have complained about the changes of the 2 classes that i play, and know most, that are Holy Priest and Earth Shaman. And after seen those preview patch notes and not nearly satisfied.

Although I would never play as a holy priest (too much responsibility), I did complain about the 67% increase in the cooldown for mass heal. I know which side my bread is buttered on, because 3 of my 4 toons are very squishy!

At this point, we don't know what changes will be made for this upcoming patch. Hopefully, there will be less nerfing of holy priests and a bit more fairness between sub-classes (like earth vs water). The idea that we shouldn't have judged this patch based on the preview of the patch notes reminds me of a short story by Steve Martin: Cruel Shoes (from the book of the same name). If I see a pair of shoes with a 90-degree angle in one & razor blades in the other, I don't need to try them on to know they'll hurt!

 

[Drakz]

It dose look like holy where overly spoiled before with basically unlimited mana, I would definitely assume they don’t really get it but still I saw one thing in the patch notes that says a move restores 60% of your current mana? What’s that all about? As for the personal position “you don’t gather or craft?” wow one of a kind here no wonder it’s strange for you. Looks like you’ll only be happy if 1. priests have unlimited mana 2. It costs nothing 3. You don’t have to play half the game at all (crafting and gathering) why bother at all? Seriously I don’t get it.

its about that ability use to replenish 75% but now its 60 or will be i should say and i play the part of the game i enjoy just like some people only paly as villagers lol its not about the mana bud read the notes cure got destroyed which is a very important part of Holy play try playing one

 

[Cosmickitty]

yes there are changes the amount of mana it restores is nerfed and the increase in mana cost for abilities means you use more mana while restoring less not to even mention the changes to cure

I'm on test, if you did not need mana pots before, you will most likely not need them now. Cost of heal went down, mass heal has a longer cd so you will cast it less. I have always maintained mana with restore and the cost of restore is unchanged. You will no longer need to spam heals although I dont think you used them before much. Holy bolt/ smite/ and divine hammer costs have not changed. With mass heal being double the amount of time to cast and not double the cost to cast that gives you several more casts of restore that generally cost 0 net mana to get your stacks of righteousness up.

On live I mix shadow talents with holy and still dont usually run out of mana, so if you are running out of mana than you need to look at what spells you are casting and work on your rotation.

 

[Drakz]

I'm on test, if you did not need mana pots before, you will most likely not need them now. Cost of heal went down, mass heal has a longer cd so you will cast it less. I have always maintained mana with restore and the cost of restore is unchanged. You will no longer need to spam heals although I dont think you used them before much. Holy bolt/ smite/ and divine hammer costs have not changed. With mass heal being double the amount of time to cast and not double the cost to cast that gives you several more casts of restore that generally cost 0 net mana to get your stacks of righteousness up.

On live I mix shadow talents with holy and still dont usually run out of mana, so if you are running out of mana than you need to look at what spells you are casting and work on your rotation.

oh i use the heals all the heals alot except for restore i dont run restore i use all the others though,heal,bless,mass heal,and cure

 

[Cosmickitty]

oh i use the heals all the heals alot except for restore i dont run restore i use all the others though,heal,bless,mass heal,and cure

Last I talked to you you played dps holy, which this build will only help. More time to pew pew when you dont have to cast heal 10 times to proc ardor.
If when the game goes live everyone is still running out of mana, then post here and complain once you've had a chance to test it fully. All the devs have said that nothing is set in stone once it goes live, there will be plenty of time for player feedback and adjustments. Till you've had a chance to test it on your own toon there's only so much data you can get from a set of patch notes.

 

[Drakz]

Last I talked to you you played dps holy, which this build will only help. More time to pew pew when you dont have to cast heal 10 times to proc ardor.
If when the game goes live everyone is still running out of mana, then post here and complain once you've had a chance to test it fully. All the devs have said that nothing is set in stone once it goes live, there will be plenty of time for player feedback and adjustments. Till you've had a chance to test it on your own toon there's only so much data you can get from a set of patch notes.

yes i play a dps holy but that dont mean i dont throw heals i just dont look around for people to heal if they not nest to me then chances are you get missed also i cast alot of heal on my self since im usually up front with the tanks throwing heals on them. But its all good im out till the patch hits and we see the whats up

 

[Zazie]

The idea that we shouldn't have judged this patch based on the preview of the patch notes reminds me of a short story by Steve Martin: Cruel Shoes (from the book of the same name). If I see a pair of shoes with a 90-degree angle in one & razor blades in the other, I don't need to try them on to know they'll hurt!

I stand by the premise that we cannot prejudge this patch after we’ve only read the patch notes and have not experienced the changes for ourselves. There is something positive to be said about remaining open-minded when change is afoot.

In the example above, what if there is something hidden in those shoes which protects you from harm? What if your skin were protected by a suit of armor, before you put your foot into the shoe? Perhaps your assessment of your options is faulty because things are not as they appear to be. Would you possibly later regret coming to a hasty decision?

Once the changes come, I suggest testing them out and experimenting first, before you come to any premature conclusions. Yes, I‘ve been around for many years, and I survived all of the changes after Starfall hit, even though it wasn’t always easy, and I didn’t always like it. This patch is a very minor change, in comparison to that, but the transition process afterward is similar. You will need to find what works best for you.

You might find that with a little adjustment to your feat rotation and/or build, it might be tolerable. You don’t have to go overboard and change everything, but sometimes simply resetting your talent points and/or origin perk, for example, or using a mana trinket, will help.

And the devs will certainly be looking for feedback, as they did after Starfall. They were incredibly responsive then, and I have faith that they will continue to be after these changes go live. They have already been listening and responding to the testers, and the fact that they have delayed this patch’s release so that they can improve upon it indicates that they are intently listening here, too!

 

[IrishElf]

yes i play a dps holy but that dont mean i dont throw heals i just dont look around for people to heal if they not nest to me then chances are you get missed also i cast alot of heal on my self since im usually up front with the tanks throwing heals on them. But its all good im out till the patch hits and we see the whats up

There are a lot of things; IE skills feats, buff's that will be adding mana behind the scenes, I'm sure the pots you have will be sufficient for you if they are working now.

 

[Math Fish]

Once upon a time I browsed these forums and saw that people with opposing views had amicable discussions on the pros and cons on all manner of topics. Now I see any form of criticism - whether it be informed or not ... whether it be tested or not ... whether it be constructive or not ... whether it be from a long-standing member of the community or a brand new player - all of it seems to be met with "stop being judgmental". This ironically judgmental attitude aimed at silencing criticism is something I find rather distasteful. I feel like we should keep an open mind and listen to what people have to say before casting judgment upon them. As one of our forum moderators often says: "keep posts respectful and polite". Thank you and have a wonderful day.